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meika loofs samorzewski's avatar

you may find my recent post of interest, about Homo economus a zombie or npc among other missing souls,

https://whyweshould.loofs-samorzewski.com/missing-institutions/

Mary Douglas was an anthropologist, Catholic and hierarchist (her term) by inclination, and married to an old school economist who quit the Conservatives government thingy he was in, once Thatcherism took over.

This tidbit from Perri 6, and Paul Richards. 2017. Mary Douglas: Understanding Social Thought and Conflict. New York, NY: Berghahn Books.

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Rhymes With "Brass Seagull"'s avatar

Amen. Shareholder primacy is literally the mother of all perverse incentives.

As my namesake implies, we need to, at a minimum, restore the Glass-Steagall Act, ban stock buybacks, and restore the high (70%+) top marginal tax rates that prevailed before Reagan. Yesterday.

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Rhymes With "Brass Seagull"'s avatar

We absolutely need to implement, at a minimum, a Universal Basic Income (UBI) with no strings attached, period. Any sentence about economic policy going forward that doesn't contain "UBI" is an incomplete and incoherent sentence.

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Rhymes With "Brass Seagull"'s avatar

My comment to Noah:

Austerity kills. What we really need is Overt Congressional Financing (OCF) to put the lie to the Big Lie of economics, namely, that federal taxes actually fund federal spending. We need to embrace Monetary Sovereignty.

https://www.josephmfirestone.com/

Paging Dr. Firestone! Literally. And Rodger Malcolm Mitchell as well.

https://mythfighter.com/

(Mic drop)

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Michael A Alexander's avatar

I assume it is. I have focused on the US since that is where I live and understand the history and politics. More importantly I have a full set of data. I am in pretty good shape for the UK too, except I don't have as full of dataset. Like I cannot determine where there were two or one secular cycles between the Glorious Revolution and WW I.

With the US the data are clear and we even had a civil war plus a mass emancipation that counts as a clearcut example of inequality reduction.

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Geary Johansen's avatar

I largely agree with you. However, you do realise you are talking about both a shift towards investment in companies AND and investment in public infrastructure. A lot of the Infrastructure bill was good, but restoring SALT deductions was the biggest single ticket item of all. There also needs to be a shift away from needless bureaucracy. One of the basic imbalances of Peter Turchin's thesis of Elite Overproduction is that it creates a stimulus for undergrad female employment, at the expense of male employment in the infrastructural economy.

The UK is indicative here. Sure, we've been running a shareholder primacy model the same as you, but we've also been neglecting public investment for decades. It shows. Visitors to the UK see the difference- we are a rundown country. But it's not as though the Western Europeans haven't been running neoliberalism as well, but they have been applying the public purse to things like social housing, when in the UK the kneejerk response is to increase structural public employment or shift a government call centre to an economically deprived area.

It's the wrong type of labour to reverse a decline.

The Europeans have been running at about 3% for decades on infrastructure, the difference shows on both sides of the Pond.

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Michael A Alexander's avatar

By my definition Germany, France and Sweden have not been running neoliberalism because their income inequality has not risen all that much. Their executives don’t get paid near as much as those in the US do.

For me, neoliberalism is not about free market, business-friendly policies. but rather a business culture

I explain this in more detail here.

https://mikealexander.substack.com/p/why-i-dont-think-neoliberalism-is

Also I have no idea to what you are referring to here:

One of the basic imbalances of Peter Turchin's thesis of Elite Overproduction is that it creates a stimulus for undergrad female employment

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Geary Johansen's avatar

Sweden is like another world, mate. Their government is efficient. Their stronger worker protections are a bit overbearing, but they've produced a hell of a lot of IP, without it being stolen out from them. Plus, they've recently had a couple of heavy finds on mining. They've found an incredibly good balance, but it's not a government imposed business culture.

Germany is dying. One in three manufacturing firms are considering offshoring. A sad end to a giant, which since the 1890s was a manufacturing export economy- all because of their obsession with green energy.

France is neoliberal but with a better degree of protection. Their government fears their citizens! Vive la France!

I agree with you in many ways. But the whole nice guys finish last thing was both morally abominable and predictable, given 60s culture split liberty into freedom and duty.

I guess what I'm saying is have you considered that most of the behaviour you've observed might be particular to the USA?

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Michael A Alexander's avatar

I took two business trips to Sweden. It was a trip, everyone speaks English it seemed. The professions were super fluent in spoken and written English. We were writing regulatory documentation in English. I learned there system which was marvelouslt logical and I used it for years after I got back to the states.

It's a country that has its head screwed on right, though their trains got stuck in the snow 😉

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Geary Johansen's avatar

You know what an awful policy wonk I am by now? I'm sick to death of Christian (my bro) saying to me, yeah- we've already got that in Sweden!

It's surprising such a politically Left country can be so socially conservative.

They really don't do small talk.

The one standard that always needs lifting is the electrical code- ask the firefighters, it bloody saves lives.

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Michael A Alexander's avatar

It’s not surprising at all. When was the high point of the New Deal order, the economically left system under FDR? In the 1950’s. What is the time that social conservatives like to look back to? The 1950’s.

In a democratic polity no party or faction has a monopoly on all aspects of life. The dominant one will choose to occupy what FDR called the “high seats of our civilization” that is have a bigger say on the big issues economics and foreign policy (war vs peace). This cedes the smaller social/cultural issues to the opposition.

So, when the left of center holds the high seats they will not put energy into pushing a left framework into the smaller social issues for fear of losing the narrative on the big ones. The result is a more social conservative culture.

In America, after the Democrats mismanaged the New Deal order by letting the inflation genie out of its bottle. What they did was drink from the same bottle that intoxicated George W Bush and cut taxes in the same year as they started a large scale war of choice. (Bush went above and beyond doing this twice). They also passed civil rights legislation and expanded the welfare state.

This is a lot, much of it unpopular with some portion of the electorate. As the left party they had nothing to gain from the war against communism or the tax cut for the rich. Had they nixed this, cut defense spending by a fourth (which was running at 8% during peacetime!) they could have their Great Society programs and still maintain budget balance. Without the war Johnson would have won re-election and the Bretton Woods system would not have collapsed in 1971.

But they did not do that. Instead, they lost the high seats to the Republicans in 1980 and since then it has been on the social/cultural “small issue” on which Democrats have pursued a left agenda.

My post is a call for Democrats to reclaim the high seats from the Republicans and to focus on economic issues and not the social ones.

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Geary Johansen's avatar

I’ve often thought there should be a place somewhere for retired military and feds- a special place where they get to serve one last time and call bullshit. The budgetary expenses rarely meet the needs on the ground,

Sack DEI for a start- the military is rare instance of forging an entirely new ingroup. I’ve looked at the data- that team ‘spirit’ is about the only thing which over-writes everything else- and some Hormone Replacement apparatchik with an axe to grind is only ever going to serve the brass,

Also, bring an end to the Dep. of Ed. whilst protecting pensions. Here in the UK we’ve closed the racial attainment/exam gap. You won’t find anything anywhere about how they borrowed from Northern Ireland (other than PISA). People don’t celebrate their utter failures. The Northern Irish Catholics reversed the socioeconomics with little more than discipline and setting high standards.

Thus it has always been.

https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/pupils-6am-detentions-being-minute-21285918

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Bijou's avatar

There is no reason for any unemployment after any government dictated fiscal or monetary adjustments. It'd just be a policy mistake. Just institute a full employment policy (increase public sector hiring where work is needed, and add a job guarantee for local community needs, eliminate "volunteerism", all volunteers should be paid a decent wage (and allowed to refuse it! (Some will!))). Settling of accounts cannot create inflation risk, people have insatiable desires to save. The QTM theory of inflation has proven wrong under floating exchange rates time and time again. So no need to fear monger about inflation. The monopoly issuer of the currency tells you what their tax credit is worth and how to get it. If they want to keep devaluing the currency by issuing interest-income via bonds to people who already have money in proportion to how much money they already have, then that's on them for being idiots, vote them out of office.

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Michael A Alexander's avatar

If QTM considerations are invalid then why would there be taxes at all? The coin option I inserted in there is essentially unlimited money printing. If we can mint as many coins as we want, then why tax? Why not provide a job guarantee, Medicare for all and UBI?

The reason why I think you can’t do all that without inflation is based on quantity-type arguments, though not classical QTM. I have not idea of what the validity of this approach may be, I am currently testing it.

https://mikealexander.substack.com/p/a-new-way-to-look-at-inflation-revised

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Geary Johansen's avatar

Your ideas are not without merit but need refinement. I wouldn't ban volunteers, but how about shifting welfare into a monthly or weekly NIT payment and then pay a bit more for volunteering! That way it would actually transition people into the value economy.

Here's how it would work. The three main constituents of basic welfare equate to around $7K a year, excluding housing and child allowances. Drop that to $6K a year, $500 dollar a month, but pay people $4 an hour for volunteering, even if it's self-employed recycling. After the $6K a year, plus the $160 maximum a week, for every three dollars you earn, you get taxed back a dollar. This would be particularly important for childcare. Studies shows that long-term outcomes decline if adult-to-child ratios are less than 1:3. Why not pay mothers to be part-time classroom assistants? It's the only way to make universal pre-school childcare a reality without crippling expense. I'm not saying that their shouldn't be credentialed pre-school class teachers (my brother's Swedish wife is one), or fully paid and unionised classroom assistants- just a lot more volunteering class helpers.

Here in the UK 9.4 million people are claiming welfare, of some form or another. One of the most common complaints amongst universal credit claimants is that they don't want to have to go through the rigmarole of applying again if they take on a job which only lasts a couple of months. It's also completely unfair to working mothers who drive minicabs part-time. There is absolutely no provision for people, who through personal preference and home needs, only want to work 20 hours a week.

Your quote on QTM doesn't deal with the meat of the issue. It's not about whether fiscal stimulus is a good thing or not, but more about what's it for, by how much and for how long? People forget that inflation was running a little hot in the Biden economy before Ukraine.

And let's not forget that one of the main results of Ben Benanke's QE to prop up the stock market, was useless digital media companies which were over-valued, nobody wanted and created using an obsolete corporatist model for media.

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Bijou's avatar

Yeah, your ideas have merit too! I'd say take the path of least resistance to get better macroeconomic policy, and focus on full employment in non-bullshit jobs. So start with increased hiring in the public sector, plus a buffer of a Job Guarantee. Policy for volunteerism can be as you suggest, but I'd like it to be whatever is fair and can get through the vote in parliament! There is enough room in "what is fair" I think to get some majority support.

When the job guarantee is framed as a more efficient employed buffer of labour rather than a wasted unemployed buffer, it gets support form all sides of the aisle.

I note what Mike wrote that some of my points are orthogonal to his article, so I apologize for that, but I had to let off some steam the other day.

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Geary Johansen's avatar

Provided there are no jobs for the technocratic class. We're supposed to learn shit like engineering and criminology, to be useful- rather than offer nothing more than fine word and parsnips. The real magic with economics and criminology is raising opportunity costs BTW. Scottish Public Health Policing.

I called the Tory Party racist for that one. Got an apology from someone who disagreed, and then 50 retired senior police officers wrote a letter to The Times. Said the Tories were too dumb to see that there had to be a path for Youth Reform, for kids who had been told all their lives that they were thick. High proles are trade professionals BTW- they earn good money- that's a decent alternative to making money from nosebag.

Labour are as bad. Beyond a certain age, criminals are trouble- but less so once they get past 34.

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Michael A Alexander's avatar

A great many young folks of all races ARE thick. Does that mean we should just let them rot? That seems to be the stance of the elite Right with all their focus on IQ.

As for the Left, they tend to patronize the lower class, saying its OK when they act out. This isn't any better.

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Geary Johansen's avatar

No, but heterodox economics offers a better vision for their futures than the type of blank slatism which categorises the Left. Sure, tertiary education helps, but it's all a matter of how much and for whom- a lot of the envisaged jobs for the future which the left has predicted for the past thirty years or so were only really achievable for people towards the tail end of the curve.

Germany probably got the 30% of the population going for tertiary correct, but it's worth noting that they encompassed a whole lot of more technical jobs trained in university settings than most university systems in the Anglosphere.

More generally, we need to concede we've essentially shaped the West into a cognitive hierarchy. We've constructed a unidimensional picture of merit which is fundamentally mechanistic rather than organic- in nature heterodox rocks, as it does in the system of heterodox economics which works so well precisely because it mirrors natural organic systems.

I can remember sitting in Clearwater Bay, Hong Kong back in the early nineties listening to a Philosophy Professor espouse the viewpoint that the West was going to sell the Chinese marketing, PR, financial services and innovation. It sounded hubristic even then, based on the foolish notion that just because the average Chinese Philosophy students couldn't write an essay discussing the ethics of tipping, they wouldn't be much good at the 'creative' economics upon which we prided ourselves.

Never mind that we can't teach kids to be creative, entrepreneurial, or magically confer high IQ.

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Michael A Alexander's avatar

Johanson write "we need to concede we've essentially shaped the West into a cognitive hierarchy"

I don't think we need to throw our hands up and say nothing can be done. Thai is bollocks.

Capitalism is fundamentally about the accumulation of capital. Today the capital being accumulated is financial, market capitalization. An extreme example is Bitcoin, a trillion-dollar financial enterprise that performs mathematical calculations, the product of which is plowed directing into the financial product whose market capitalization rises with time. It creates nothing tangible.

In a world where the intangible, the abstract, is most highly valued. This puts a premium on those good at this sort of thing (hi-IQ folks). Now suppose we actually did what I call for in the post. Market capitalization was fall and not recover. Bitcoin would crater and never recover. Trillions of dollars of financial "wealth" would be "destroyed" and yet no real tangible wealth will have disappeared. Existing executives would retire, unwilling to work for less, but there are always those who want to be in charge, for whom the prestige from just being the boss in enough and do not need hundreds of millions or billions of dollars they will never spend to feel like a winner.

Life would go on and we would do more real stuff and need people to do real stuff. Wage levels and career prospects would reflect that and the market will redirect human resources in new directions achieving a number of societal benefits as a side effect.

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Bijou's avatar

Yeah. Thing is, we are *all of us* THICK about something. Even in my specialty of theoretical physics there are works I cannot make any sense of, and do not even wish to grok.

The public sector hiring should be for skilled useful work, and there I'd 100% agree with Geary. The thought also occurs that Libertarians often complain a bureaucracy is waste, but if it is effectively policing white collar crime it is a net benefit (the tax only generates a demand for police work, not the funds for the work). Think of the recent anti-trust cases. There is a lot more low hanging fruit in white collar crime prevention to be had, a lot more, tonnes, and it'd all benefit law abiding firms (their taxes are not paying for the enforcement).

BTW, the Job Guarantee is for anyone wanting work so their lives are not wasted, a good JG policy would permit people to do anything they want to do which their local community can see to getting done, it does not have to be efficient, it only has to be of some public good, however small.

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Geary Johansen's avatar

Astute point on the white collar crime thing- few people realise what a debt we owe to the FBI financial crimes unit, in terms of rolling up Al-Qaeda through the Saudi Group.

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Michael A Alexander's avatar

There was nothing in the article about welfare, NIT or other social welfare programs. They are orthogonal to the thrust of the argument.

Also, I am not sure exactly to what you are referring by "quote on QTM"

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Bijou's avatar

Quantity of money does not determine inflation (essentially b.c. savings desires are insatiable). It is *rate* of spending/investment that *causes* inflation pressure, and even then only to first order the relative price adjustments, not necessarily the absolute price level. The price level is determined by government policy, whether they know it or not. Specific price adjustment for specific goods is not inflation, and is more often due to mark-up adjustments and changes in relative value at the margins. Then there is the foreign monopolist setting price for energy, a huge component, and that's not real inflation, the government can, and should, re-gauge the currency as the appropriate fiscal adjustment. If it is a one-time re-gauge in response to a foreign monopolist setting price upwards then it is not inflation. Inflation is a continuous rate of change of the price level. At least that's the proper language frame progressive aught to be using, if they regard themselves as responsibly informed about macroeconomics..

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